John 3:13  And no one has gone up to Heaven, except He who came down out of Heaven—the Son of Man who is in Heaven." But you, Jeff, overlooked this KJV passage at, Heb 11:13 "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth." 

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